Mark's comment was nearly parenthetical. Why the beef?

lol Danny, way to take it personal!!! Can we call this the 3rd pemmican war?

I, personally, took Mark's observations on this matter with a grain of salt.

He lead me to better health, definitely, but what he doesn't realize is that I found a more 'carnivorous only/ zero carb' diet to be of more benefit after applying his methods.

So many people think that I am now constipated with only meat and fat. Nothing could be further from the truth regarding fiber! I found that pure meat and fat result in better stool and once veggies are re-introduced, the stool hardens. This, to me, seems to debunk the fiber theory.

I am still on the fence on fiber, though, The doctor who recorded the video for "Sugar: The Bitter Truth" explained everything regarding metabolism and it's role with sugars quite well, but he is also a big proponent of fiber. I guess, though, if you are eating things with fructose in them, then the fiber is necessary.

I'm more with you though. As much as Mark has changed my life, I love him for that, but I'm more on your side, in that I just feel FANTASTIC on only meat. Although, I do eat eggs. I lump them into my 'meat' category.

I'm not ZC because I cannot eat carbs. I'm ZC because carbs do not make us as humans optimally healthy. That is the problem with traditional low carb diets like Atkins, etc. Carbs are treated as a reward, as in, "how high up the ladder can you go?" I think all carbs are disgusting and deleterious. If you want to be lean and strong like a carnivore, to never be hungry, to eat delicious fatty meat, be zero carb. I lift, I have so much energy, I am never hungry, I don't spend a lot of money on food, I don't need to think of ingredients. Carbs make us weak, sick and fat prey. Meat makes us strong, lean, defined, energetic predators and hunters. Meat makes us gods, carbs make us lower than worms.

You know you made something of yourself when someone intentionally misleads others using your example. Did he ever say that your leg fully recovered within a day or so of eating more? Its really quite sad seeing someone taking advantage of incomplete information. I feel this is one of the biggest faults of modern man. We have the hardest time being fully honest. From what I can tell you tell it like it is and I hope that this one incident does not keep you from exposing both the good and the bad from your personal experiences. The truth is so much easier to find if we are all just honest, but yet it seems so hard to do.

Thanks for commenting SassaFrass88,

I couldn't agree more. Mark's site is a great stepping stone for those wanting to get off SAD and achieve good health. For over achievers there's always VLC and carnivorous lifestyles.

I've seen that same video, which is amazing, but yeah the gentleman in my opinion is off base with regards to fiber. It's entirely possible however, that when carbohydrates are included in the diet fiber may be needed.

For the record, I have nothing against eggs.

Keep going with what works, I'm glad you're feeling so good.

Thanks for commenting Katelyn,

Those raised on SAD probably do not have the luxury of climbing the carb ladder. But it's always an option if you're looking to gain lots of fat and have a cocaine-like addiction to food!

Thanks for commenting Teddy,

Mark doesn't mention specifics in the article, so hopefully his readers check out the whole article before passing judgement.

Anything good or bad resulting from diet will be shared on this site. Hopefully it will be a valuable resource for those who are attempting similar feats.

Thanks for putting this back up Danny! Truly there are so many resources available these days for people to learn more about ZC and VLC like yours and Mark's. You guys are obviously helping other people understand what you each believe to be the best way to go about optimal health. The fact that by applying Mark's methods some people "evolve" to ZC on their own to me shows how closely the paths you each chose really come. I didn't read the first reaponse but this one seemed above board and totally appropriate. LOVE YOUR BLOG!!

I'm glad Mark contacted you... I mean I understand we all have different points of view but going one against the other is not good at all. It's like someone from Mark's forum started criticizing Atkins because he allowed too many processed food and dairy and one here did that too but because it's "too high in carbs", don’t we all owe Atkins the fact he played a great role spreading the Low Carb message? i mean each of you guys are doing a great job promoting low carb, it doesn’t matter if it is 150gr or 0gr, the thing is that you are getting people to realize low carb is an option (we know it is the best but let's say it's "one of the best")

I like your site, and stumbled upon it awhile ago, but I wouldn't say that a zero carbohydrate approach is for EVERYONE. At the absolute most, I might have 58 grams of carbohydrate(including fiber) a day, so I'm not eating as much of it as Mark, but still a little more then you. 58 is the maximum I might find myself eating from what I calculated, but I'm usually in the 30's.

However, my ancestors are probably a little closer to the equator then yours were, and had a decent amount of fruits and veggies. Humans did evolve for millions of years off of fruits and vegetables before they essentially became "human" by eating lots more meat, so they still have the genetic make up to handle those fruits and vegetables, and have them be beneficial to their diet. Only those people that went up north are less likely to receive those benefits I think.

That being said, I can hardly call myself an omnivore by eating a small handful of wolf berries and munching on a little celery. I'd still consider myself a carnivore, as most would from seeing my diet.

I enjoy your site. I also enjoy Mark's site. Truth is, I thought that was the equivalent of a cyberspace drive by shooting. Of course there is nothing wrong with critiquing someone as long as you represent them properly by giving every thing the proper meaning and context. Suggesting scurvy given what you wrote was out of bounds, in my opinion. I am glad he reached out to you privately. Not that it is any of my business but if he hasn't made a public acknowledgement (since he wrote the comment for public consumption) I hope he does so shortly.

Um, that is truly one bad looking wheel. I haven't looked closely at what you eat, but you may need to include organ meats. Very important for Vitamin A, which is also important in Vitamin D levels, all of which are tied into skin stuff and bruising. It's all synergistic, obviously, especially the fat soluble vits. See Weston A. Price website to get the full story. Try to ignore that they like grains. The rest of the info is solid. Good luck. jean